Episode 26: An assault on the eyeballs AND something to think about afterwards

It’s not only the 26th Episode of Hello, You Podcast … it’s also our 2nd international episode! Louise dials in from Portugal and we have a glorious hour of chat.

Listen to episode 26 and peruse the shownotes below.

There’s been a lot of life happening for both Louise & Neil since the last episode. Louise got married, which was the most glorious day (obvs Neil was invited). Neil’s beautiful cat Shiro died and he has been exploring, even welcoming, grief as a teacher. (For some pictures proving Shiro cat’s beauty and rapier sharp wit, see her Twitter account.) Grief manifests in unexpected ways and Neil generously and vulnerably shares his reflections on grief, including finding himself shouting at a vacuum cleaner and what insights that opened up for him. (Thank you Neil, it’s an honour to witness your explorations – Louise.)

From here, Neil steers us into a swirling pot of creativity and we jump, feet first into the world of … Barbie. Neil was, at first, somewhat unsettled by Louise’s excitement about the upcoming Barbie film (due for release July 2023 in the UK). However, with Greta Gerwig as director, it’s become clear there’s no way this film will be an extension of the Barbie merch machine. With the film’s trailer paying homage to 2001: A Space Odyssey, we both agree we’re now both very excited about seeing it and answering an important question: how will Barbie open jars with her inflexible hands?

Next we swirl into an article from Behavioural Scientist (we do love it so!) on creativity in borrowing and combining ideas you’ve encountered before, rather than landing on an entirely new idea. Neil poses the question ‘How valuable do you find the idea of combination and recombination as being part of the creative process?’ and we range over a lot of ground, including Louise’s poetry practice (shout out to her poetry mentor Arji) and also how identity and shame can get tangled up in creativity. Neil shares an incredible line from ‘Identity’ a poem by Elizabeth Jennings.

And we have a last flourish on ChatGPT, with this article on the embodied nature of language and how large language models completely lack the embodied context we humans have (unsurprisingly, as they don’t have bodies). Coffee and doughnuts feature heavily and Louise also talks about her insightful and wonderful experience of attending a Leadership Embodiment workshop, run by Paul King, who gives an entirely ‘before you can think’ connection with how we lead and how we show up (see his website here).

If any of this has piqued your curiosity, please stroll on into the salon and by all means fix a cup of coffee for yourself as you do. Episode 26 is ready and waiting for you to listen to it – if you enjoy it, do share it with others and let us know what you loved about it.

Link to listen to episode 26 via Spotify here, or grab it from whatever platform you prefer to use for podcasts.


Episode 25: Everything, everywhere, in 75 minutes flat.

Welcome to the 25th episode of the Hello You Podcast! Yes, that’s right, we’ve hit our quarter centennial celebration!

Somehow, we manage not to talk about this milestone all episode… If you can’t wait to hear what we did talk about, dive into the episode right now – here’s the link.

Alternatively, you’re more than welcome to check out the show notes below to mentally and physically prepare yourself for the onslaught of Salon-style chat that is HYP!

We started off, completely unexpectedly, riffing on the awesomeness that is Everything, Everywhere All At Once. What. A. Film. From a visual storytelling spectacle to a real moment for representation in cinema, EEAAO threads its way throughout this episode – especially the first 15minutes or so as we go on a deep, deep dive into it.
Interestingly, EEAAO is the noise Neil’s brain made after watching it for the first time. True Fact.

Language emerges as a theme from EEAAO, particularly the rapid language switching that it requires from viewers. We ponder on how much we take the privilege of belonging that language gives us for granted, and the absolute gift that EEAAO gives us to reframe our viewership experience.

Speaking of how language enables us to navigate the world around us, we dip into Thirteen Untranslatable Words and an exploration of how violence can be done to language when words become hollowed out. This is a regular thread for us, and we remember ranting about certain words about in Episode 2 of this pod’, which we then revisited in Episode 5, before exploring thoughts about linguistic colonialism in Episode 17 and understanding the anthropology of place names in Episode 22.

Louise drops a reco’ for Faith, Hope & Charity by Nick Cave & Sean O’Hagan, inspired by one of the untranslatable words, which happens to be Neil’s fave. We sidled into linguistic taxonomy and how categorising the world leads to our changed relationship with it. Meanwhile, Louise has just finished reading a Derrida tome, although is finishing reading Derrida, finishing reading Derrida?

Nipping through Algospeak and 1337 (Leet) speak, youth lingo, cockney rhyming slang and emojification, we investigate having conversations inside other conversations. Changing language to hide in plain sight is nothing new, but the change is now being driven by technology at an enormous pace.

There’s a natty segue into a fabulous podcast Louise shared – Emotion At Work – which features an incredibly strong theme around clarity. What do work cultures permit you to ask for, and how does this affect your experience? Clarity and compassion start to emerge, Louise puts her finger on a huge issue about the energy needed to navigate unclear situations and we deal with weaponised unclarity. Louise inspires Neil to explore an idea about how clarity is highly exposing.

“The courage to be clear creates psychological safety” is a beautiful jumping off point which helps us to deepen an exploration of clarity and its relationship to leadership. Thank you Louise ❤️ (before she then knits polyvagal theory into the conversation. Wow).

We finish up on the world of RSS, a technology that’s been around for 25 years+ but which isn’t widely adopted these days. Apart from by a stubborn few (yes, one of whom is Neil who ran two polls – one on Mastodon and one on LinkedIn – to give this conversation some semblance of empirical sanity), RSS seems to be largely forgotten. However, could it actually be our saviour from being “awash with content”, defeat algorithmic info-tsunamis and help us to take back control of our internet?

Neil says ‘Yes’ and Louise wonders if it is some kind of dark magic. But what do you say, dear listeners? Check out the episode and tell us what you think!

As always, the Salon is open for you, your friends, your nearest-and-dearest or those you’ve only just met on the bus to listen to. Episode 25 is now live for your delectation and delight – so pull up a chair, kick back and dive into the wonderful world of Hello You Podcast!

Episode 24: Being messily human all over the place

Welcome to the 24th episode of the Hello You Podcast! We can’t quite believe that we’ve amassed two years’ worth of chats – and, we don’t know about you regular listeners, but we’re sensing a change in our chats and practice. We’d love to know what you think – comment away below!

If you want to get into the episode right now – head on over to our home on Anchor! Here’s the link for the latest episode – and of course you can catch up on any previous ones you have missed (as if you would).

We talk about reading ‘work stuff’ outside of work, riff on the value of generalists and specialists, and appreciate the value of curiosity.

There’s talk of things being (pardon our expletives), quite a bit shit in quite a lot of ways, and Louise drops the notion of polycrisis. However, it’s not all swearing and doom – Louise had an amazing experience recently at Helena Clayton’s Love Lab workshop and can’t wait to talk about it!

Stand Up for Love is a phrase Louise slides into the conversation (no, it’s not Destiny’s Child) before following up with a Hello You Podcast exclusive – she is developing a workshop on listening with love. Look out for a post here for a HYP exclusive to sign up!

We wonder about whether it’s possible to love an internet troll, the wisdom of firing crap from the moon (Neil’s phrase) to make a protective sunscreen around the earth and whether critical ignoring is the right way to go about keeping ourselves free from unwanted and unpalatable intrusions.

Since poetry is awesome, Louise finds a thread into Arji Manuelpillai, specifically a podcast about his ‘Improvised Explosive Device’ collection. It turns out that Arji’s work has been informed by an investigation into the views/practices of the English Defence League – not standard fare, perhaps, but important contribution to anti-polarisation and relationship formation. And then we slide into community, framed by a poem recently shared with Louise – ‘How do you create community’ by Tad Hargrave in fact.

This has been The Salon is open for another joyful, lovely, escapade around the messy business of being a human – and you’re invited to join us! Follow this link to listen in on Anchor.FM!

Things we mention in passing:
Philip Mackenzie’s amazing Deep Dive Podcast
Mark Ritson’s marketing writing
Zen Studies Podcast on “Acceptance” and “Non attachment”
‘Intro’ by John Grant
Peeps Magazine
Behavioral Scientist
Grayson Perry: Divided Britain
They by Kay Dick